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		<title>Twitter activity stream</title>
		<link>http://webtropic.cc/2011/11/03/twitter-activity-stream/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in August we heard about the upcoming real time twitter activity streams but, since then, not many of us have seen them. Today, I was lucky to observe this functionality in  one of the twitter accounts I admin. See how the mentions tab has changed? It is not just Mentions anymore. It is &#8220;mentions and [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=712&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/10/twitter-activity-streams/">Back in August we heard about the upcoming real time twitter activity streams</a> but, since then, not many of us have seen them.</p>
<p>Today, I was lucky to observe this functionality in  one of the twitter accounts I admin.</p>
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<p>See how the mentions tab has changed? It is not just <em>Mentions</em> anymore. It is &#8220;<em>mentions and more</em>&#8221; and the <em>more</em> refers to in-stream notifications of who and how-many followed you.</p>
<p>Also, twitter turns more visual, if you look at the adjacent <em>Activity</em> tab.</p>
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<p>This is a much more &#8216;facebookish&#8217; view, isn&#8217;t it? It is actually more visual than the respective <em>ticker</em> in Facebook, which displays similar stuff: favs, follows, RTs etc</p>
<p>I wonder if the delay in the roll out has to do with exactly this perception: that twitter is becoming more &#8216;lite&#8217; this way.</p>
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		<title>A great filter at last: Facebook Pages Custom Sharing</title>
		<link>http://webtropic.cc/2011/01/03/a-great-filter-at-last-facebook-pages-custom-sharing/</link>
		<comments>http://webtropic.cc/2011/01/03/a-great-filter-at-last-facebook-pages-custom-sharing/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s a little bit over two years since when I wrote about the desirability of a language filter for social media news &#8216;streams&#8217;. But while Facebook has given the world one, probably because I missed its initial introduction, I  made the connection only now : In Facebook Pages, one can select who will see a certain [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=655&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a little bit over two years since when I wrote about <a href="/2008/12/21/filter-this/">the desirability of a language filter for social media news &#8216;streams&#8217;</a>. But while Facebook has given the world one, probably because I missed its initial introduction, I  made the connection only now : In Facebook Pages, one can select who will see a certain <strong>status</strong> update by selecting a <strong>country</strong> and a <strong>language</strong>.</p>
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<p>Quite rightly, <em>language</em> is not enough on its own to make targeting work. Neither <em>country</em>. The combination can work wonders though.</p>
<p>Just think the various pages that brands open on a country basis. There is no need to anymore. With the country status targeting, one page can be used to serve all countries. In theory, at least. It will require lots of admins, true. But this is better than a lot of pages repeating similar things over and over.</p>
<p>Also, I can help segment messaging in countries with more than one languages, keeping follower annoyance at a minimum.</p>
<p>Great!</p>
<p>But why only Pages?</p>
<p>The same need exists (to a lesser extend) for Personal Profiles and Groups.</p>
<p>And why is it so difficult for other social platforms to come up with solutions like this?</p>
<p>Is anyone listening in Twitter?</p>
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		<title>Why do we retweet?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are the primary motivations for retweeting? There are countless of quasi answers out there but very little substantial research. Unfortunately I do not bring you one. I run a little experiment the other day. I said I was running a &#8220;Retweet&#8221; experiment and asked my followers to RT! I was not sure what to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=646&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the primary motivations for retweeting? There are countless of quasi answers out there but very little substantial research. Unfortunately I do not bring you one.</p>
<p>I run a little experiment the other day. I said I was running a &#8220;Retweet&#8221; experiment and asked my followers to RT!</p>
<p>I was not sure what to expect, but it turned out that about 13 people did actually retweet within the first hour.</p>
<p>Now, two days later, the picture is like this:</p>
<p><strong>New Retweets</strong></p>
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<p>If there is an immediate conclusion to be drawn, is that far more people use the new RT method (the one provided by twitter).</p>
<p>As to why people RT, the answer remains open to speculation. It seems though that what <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/danzarrella/the-science-of-re-tweets">Dan Zarrella has found/suggested</a> (that &#8216;Please RT&#8217; is a strong factor to get retweeted) is valid and valuable.</p>
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		<title>Retweeting is the best FollowFriday.</title>
		<link>http://webtropic.cc/2010/08/06/retweeting-is-the-best-followfriday/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The norms of twitter behavior are pretty much user generated. @ Replies, retweets, hashtags to name a few, were all invented by twitter users as a kind of behavior first, and then were turned to application functionality. Such a kind of social behavior is Follow Friday too: each Friday twitter users tweet to their followers [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=593&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The norms of twitter behavior are pretty much user generated. <em>@ Replies, retweets, hashtags</em> to name a few, were all invented by twitter users as a kind of behavior first, and then were turned to application functionality.</p>
<p>Such a kind of social behavior is Follow Friday too: each Friday twitter users tweet to their followers certain people as worth following. Such of tweets are tagged (or hashtagged, to be more precise) with a #followfriday tag (or its shorthand: #ff).</p>
<p>By suggesting people one feels are noteworthy and have something interesting to say and share, one gives the other twitterers the chance to discover new people to follow. If they do actually follow is depended on the trust and influence that a suggester can inspire and exercise.</p>
<p>Yet, I always felt reserved to get into the habit of #ff.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Simple: I follow people either because they are <strong>real life friends and acquaintances</strong> or because they have something interesting (to me) to say.</p>
<p>For friends and acquaintances, I  have no need of suggestions and  I do not see how could I recognize whether those suggest by #ff as interesting to me.</p>
<p>Over time, the only reliable method that I have come up with in discovering new people to follow, is by observing other twitteres&#8217; retweets: <strong>if in the retweets that show up in my stream, I see someone appearing often and I do not follow her/him already, then I have a prospect</strong>.</p>
<p>Observing the frequency of appearance of a certain twitterer in retweets  over time, I make sure that I appreciate hers/his style, conduct and  interesting content. This way, I know before I start following, who and how is the one I am to follow.</p>
<p>The method is not infallible, but is far better than #ff.</p>
<p>One might argue, that #ff is not a science or a detective clue, but a form of social reward for those we really appreciate.</p>
<p>This is very true, and it is a generous and welcome gesture in this respect.</p>
<p>But then the same applies for retweets. And while a single retweet does not say much about the person retweeted, a lot of retweets say, well, a lot!</p>
<p>In conlusion: do you want to recommend me for #ff? Retweet this!</p>
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		<title>A new twitter metric: followers to listed ratio</title>
		<link>http://webtropic.cc/2010/05/20/a-new-twitter-metric-followers-to-listed-ratio/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 18:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Say a twitter account is listed x times. So what, you might ask. Indeed, the absolute number means little. But by observing  both numbers as a ratio (followers to lists, F/L for brevity from now on), I think I have found a quite meaningful use of  them. If  a twitter user is performing some sort of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=588&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say a twitter account is listed x times.</p>
<p>So what, you might ask.</p>
<p>Indeed, the absolute number means little.</p>
<p>But by observing  <strong>both </strong>numbers as a ratio (followers to lists, F/L for brevity from now on), I think I have found a quite meaningful use of  them.</p>
<p>If  a twitter user is performing some sort of broadcasting of news, offers, weather, traffic, stock prices etc, it might useful to follow. But doing so in the timeline breaks the convesation and de-humanizes the stream.</p>
<p>Following such users/accounts through lists is much more convenient, much more practical. It <a href="/2009/11/24/lists-bring-sanity-back-in-twitter-use-part-i/" target="_self">brings sanity to the timeline</a>.</p>
<p>If my assumption is correct, then such users/accounts would be listed relatively more often, than followed. Hence, the F/L ratio  would be relatively lower.</p>
<p>This metric, if true, can be used for identifying and classifying an unknown (to us) user.</p>
<p>My guess is that if the ratio is less than <strong>10,</strong> then this user/account  is probably a broadcasting account of some sort. Or his activity is such (: publishing own blogposts, without engaging in conversations).</p>
<p>I have two personal twitter accounts: o<a href="http://twitter.com/nikan">ne for english</a> and <a href="http://twitter.com/nikan_gr">one for greek</a>. The F/L for the first is <strong>16.75</strong>.  Surprisingly, the ratio for the other account is approx. the same <strong>16.62</strong>!</p>
<p>What is your F/L ratio?</p>
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		<title>Lists bring sanity back in twitter use &#8211; Part I</title>
		<link>http://webtropic.cc/2009/11/24/lists-bring-sanity-back-in-twitter-use-part-i/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been a big opponent of the vanity twitter use (aka harvesting followers, hoping that &#8220;followers&#8221; equals &#8220;audience&#8221;). In practice, this meant that from a point on,  I completely stopped looking who is following me, did not reciprocate at the cost of being perceived as arrogant and kept my follower/following ratio to 4. Still not [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=560&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="/2009/03/15/the-twitter-follower-fallacy/">I have been a big opponent of the vanity twitter use </a> (aka harvesting followers, hoping that &#8220;followers&#8221; equals &#8220;audience&#8221;).</p>
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<p>In practice, this meant that from a point on,  I completely stopped looking who is following me, did not reciprocate at the cost of being perceived as arrogant and kept my follower/following ratio to 4.</p>
<p>Still not content, I unfollowed quite a number of twitterers (some of them pretty big names)  on the grounds that they were either producing too much noise, or were talking about things I found irrelevant to me.</p>
<p>For over two years now, I keep experimenting with twitter:</p>
<ul>
<li>In the beginning, it was conversations. But as people kept flocking around twitter, conversing became hard, if not impossible.</li>
<li>Then it was news tracking which, although useful, it was far from complete. Yes, the news came to me, but not the news I was always interested. And with it came a lot of repetition and nonsense.</li>
<li>Then, based on retweets, it was content discovery and evaluation.</li>
<li>Occassionaly, it was polls, mini-crowdsourcing, asking questions etc</li>
<li>Grouping people allowed to create filters: filters for news, for content, for community info.</li>
<li>Finally, there came mindcasting. The most interesting use of twitter. The one I subscribe.</li>
</ul>
<p>The grouping feature offered by many twitter clients, has, for a long time, being the single organizing factor that brought some order into chaos.</p>
<p>But, lately, we have another one, far too important: Lists!</p>
<p>Although lists look pretty much as the  groups of twitter clients, they are not the same: groups are for  the people we follow or those that follow us, while lists are for everyone! <strong>This difference is a game changer</strong>.</p>
<p>Already people use how often they are listed as a measure of importance, influence or popularity.</p>
<p>But lists have another function: they are <strong>metadata</strong>. The criteria we use to classify twitterers in lists, describe what they are or how we view them.</p>
<p>Also, lists, unlike groups, can be public, can be viewed and subscribed by others. And as such, they bring focus and attention from another angle.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ok&#8221;, you might say. &#8220;Lists bring new features. So what?&#8221;</p>
<p>Lists can bring back the sanity in twitter. They can undermine the follower fallacy, they can bring value to ordinary users as well as to businesses and marketers.</p>
<p>How?</p>
<p>By allowing us to make a fundamental distinction: <strong>following is an action of trust and, to some extend, intimacy. Subscribing to a list is  willingness to be informed.</strong></p>
<p>So if you are on twitter to spread your message (be it news or offers or corporate messages) seek to be listed, not followed. Your very intention implies that you most likely want to use twitter for broadcasting and not for creating relationships. That is fine. You won&#8217;t have to pretend you are a &#8216;friend&#8217; from now on. You aren&#8217;t. You never were. But  now message spreading can be done without undermining the everyday experience of ordinary users.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211; end of part I &#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/nikan/lists">My lists&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>The partial feed sacrilege and the ad benefit</title>
		<link>http://webtropic.cc/2009/11/15/the-partial-feed-sacrilege-and-the-ad-benefit/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; I remember a time (not so long ago) when people were disgusted by partial feeds and most of the major blogs and bloggers abided by this unwritten law. Publishing a partial feed was synonymous to cheap exploitation, putting ad revenues over readership, alienating your readers etc. I, myself, am guilty of accusing blogs for [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=556&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p>I remember a time (not so long ago) when people were disgusted by partial feeds and most of the major blogs and bloggers abided by this unwritten law. Publishing a partial feed was synonymous to cheap exploitation, putting ad revenues over readership, alienating your readers etc.</p>
<p>I, myself, am <a href="http://webtropic.cc/2009/03/21/clicks-matter-its-not-about-ads/">guilty of accusing blogs for  this kind of &#8216;malpractice&#8217;</a>.</p>
<p><strong>But things change</strong>.</p>
<p>I see more and more probloggers publishing partial feed and very few readers  complaining.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because the way we read and follow blogs has changed too. Information is coming to us. And usually it comes in the form of a short sentence with a link in it, something especially true for <a href="http://twitter.com">twitter</a>.</p>
<p>So the trend of reading everything in the coziness of our feed reader is in decline, while reading from the source is back with a vengeance.  Twitter and <a href="http://facebook.com">Facebook</a> are the benefactors of blog ad revenues.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Web 2.0 without javascript?</title>
		<link>http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of days ago I came across this terrifying presentation from John Graham-Cumming. Although the topics covered weren&#8217;t entirely new to me, put together in one presentation, had an impact.  I came to wonder if and how would the major web 2.0 sites work, if javascript was out of the picture. I decided to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=501&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of days ago I came across this terrifying presentation from John Graham-Cumming.</p>
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<p>Although the topics covered weren&#8217;t entirely new to me, put together in one presentation, had an impact.  I came to wonder if and how would the major web 2.0 sites work, if javascript was out of the picture.</p>
<p>I decided to make a little test to find out: I disabled javascript from my browser  and started logging  in such sites to see how would they behave.</p>
<p>Here is the outcome for the three most important for me.</p>
<p><strong>a. Twitter</strong></p>
<p>Most of the functionality was in place: the timeline, friend and followers. From the various buttons on the tweets and the timeline pages, the reply did work but not the fav button.</p>
<p>The direct message and delete buttons did not work either. Same with the drop down where you select a follower to dm, and finally, the followers and trending topics buttons.<br />
But all these are rather trivial. Because most of the tweet buttons replicate user behavior (putting the @ sign in front of another user name for a reply, or the d letter for a direct message).<br />
Not being able to fav, or, more importantly, to delete is a loss, but not a major one.</p>
<p><strong>b. Facebook</strong><br />
Things are worse in Facebook: while Home, Profile, Friends and Settings are accessible, the inbox and chat are not.<br />
Also, from the bottom bar, the applications menu is inaccessible. Most of the edit links and buttons don&#8217;t work either and finally the status updates, link sharing , photos etc cannot be submitted.</p>
<p><strong>c. Youtube</strong><br />
Here things are disastrous: without javascript you cannot see the videos!  On top, you cannot access your account settings or you mailbox. There was no point looking for more.</p>
<p>A small gallery with pics of the failure areas of the above web applications follows
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-5/' title='Twitter: DM and delete do not work'><img data-attachment-id='502' data-orig-size='42,50' data-liked='0'width="42" height="50" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-5.png?w=42&#038;h=50" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Twitter: DM and delete do not work" title="Twitter: DM and delete do not work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-6/' title='Twitter: friends combo box not populated'><img data-attachment-id='503' data-orig-size='310,107' data-liked='0'width="100" height="34" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-6.png?w=100&#038;h=34" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Twitter: friends combo box not populated" title="Twitter: friends combo box not populated" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-7-2/' title='Twitter: Followers do not roll down'><img data-attachment-id='504' data-orig-size='184,108' data-liked='0'width="100" height="58" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-71.png?w=100&#038;h=58" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Twitter: Followers do not roll down" title="Twitter: Followers do not roll down" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-8/' title='Twitter: trending topics don&#039;t roll up'><img data-attachment-id='505' data-orig-size='171,110' data-liked='0'width="100" height="64" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-8.png?w=100&#038;h=64" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Twitter: trending topics don&#039;t roll up" title="Twitter: trending topics don&#039;t roll up" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-9/' title='Twitter: reply does and fav does not work'><img data-attachment-id='507' data-orig-size='35,54' data-liked='0'width="35" height="54" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-9.png?w=35&#038;h=54" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Twitter: reply does and fav does not work" title="Twitter: reply does and fav does not work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-10/' title='Facebook: Sidebar more does not work'><img data-attachment-id='508' data-orig-size='145,70' data-liked='0'width="100" height="48" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-10.png?w=100&#038;h=48" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Facebook: Sidebar more does not work" title="Facebook: Sidebar more does not work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-11/' title='Facebook: Apps menu does not work'><img data-attachment-id='509' data-orig-size='266,63' data-liked='0'width="100" height="23" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-11.png?w=100&#038;h=23" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Facebook: Apps menu does not work" title="Facebook: Apps menu does not work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-12/' title='Facebook: chat does not work'><img data-attachment-id='510' data-orig-size='209,37' data-liked='0'width="100" height="17" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-12.png?w=100&#038;h=17" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Facebook: chat does not work" title="Facebook: chat does not work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-13/' title='Facebook: account settings edit doesn&#039;t work'><img data-attachment-id='511' data-orig-size='146,182' data-liked='0'width="80" height="100" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-13.png?w=80&#038;h=100" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Facebook: account settings edit doesn&#039;t work" title="Facebook: account settings edit doesn&#039;t work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-14/' title='Facebook: Settings edit does not work'><img data-attachment-id='512' data-orig-size='217,133' data-liked='0'width="100" height="61" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-14.png?w=100&#038;h=61" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Facebook: Settings edit does not work" title="Facebook: Settings edit does not work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-15/' title='Facebook: box edit does not work'><img data-attachment-id='513' data-orig-size='38,42' data-liked='0'width="38" height="42" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-15.png?w=38&#038;h=42" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Facebook: box edit does not work" title="Facebook: box edit does not work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-16/' title='Facebook: Share button does not work'><img data-attachment-id='514' data-orig-size='94,47' data-liked='0'width="94" height="47" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-16.png?w=94&#038;h=47" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Facebook: Share button does not work" title="Facebook: Share button does not work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-17/' title='Facebook: Status more buttons and clear do not work'><img data-attachment-id='515' data-orig-size='88,56' data-liked='0'width="88" height="56" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-17.png?w=88&#038;h=56" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Facebook: Status more buttons and clear do not work" title="Facebook: Status more buttons and clear do not work" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-19/' title='Youtube: Accounts cannot be set'><img data-attachment-id='519' data-orig-size='324,84' data-liked='0'width="100" height="25" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-19.png?w=100&#038;h=25" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Youtube: Accounts cannot be set" title="Youtube: Accounts cannot be set" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-20/' title='Youtube: videos do not show'><img data-attachment-id='520' data-orig-size='611,69' data-liked='0'width="100" height="11" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-20.png?w=100&#038;h=11" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Youtube: videos do not show" title="Youtube: videos do not show" /></a>
<a href='http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/30/web-2-0-without-javascript/picture-18/' title='Youtube: inbox does not work'><img data-attachment-id='523' data-orig-size='439,203' data-liked='0'width="100" height="46" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/picture-181.png?w=100&#038;h=46" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Youtube: inbox does not work" title="Youtube: inbox does not work" /></a>
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		<title>What twitter considers as spam</title>
		<link>http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/13/what-twitter-considers-as-spam/</link>
		<comments>http://webtropic.cc/2009/09/13/what-twitter-considers-as-spam/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Social media]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[spam]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[terms of service]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Twitter]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[The recent update  of twitter&#8217;s  Terms of Service, brought to my attention this page from twitter support :  The Twitter Rules. Is it not a long read but it is quite educative as to what twitter considers as spam or spamming behavior. It is interesting to note that there is no rigid definition of spam: [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=494&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent <a href="http://blog.twitter.com/2009/09/twitters-new-terms-of-service.html">update  of twitter&#8217;s  Terms of Service</a>, brought to my attention this page from twitter support : <a href="http://twitter.zendesk.com/forums/26257/entries/18311"> The Twitter Rules</a>. Is it not a long read but it is quite educative as to what twitter considers as spam or spamming behavior.</p>
<p>It is interesting to note that there is no rigid definition of spam:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:16px;font-size:12px;color:#333333;">What constitutes “spamming” will evolve as we respond to new tricks and tactics by spammers</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Instead, the following  14 points list of spamming behaviors is cited.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:normal;font-size:12px;color:#333333;"> </span></p>
<ul style="margin:0;padding:5px 0 5px 36px;">
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you have followed a large amount of users in a short amount of time;</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you have followed and unfollowed people in a short time period, particularly by automated means (aggressive follower churn);</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you repeatedly follow and unfollow people, whether to build followers or to garner more attention for your profile;<br style="margin:0;padding:0;" /></li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you have a small number of followers compared to the amount of people you are following;</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;"><strong>If your updates consist mainly of links, and not personal updates;</strong></li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If a large number of people are blocking you;</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">The number of spam complaints that have been filed against you;</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you post duplicate content over multiple accounts or multiple duplicate updates on one account</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you post multiple unrelated updates to a topic using #</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you post multiple unrelated updates to a trending or popular topic</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you send large numbers of duplicate @replies</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you send large numbers of unsolicited @replies in an attempt to spam a service or link<br style="margin:0;padding:0;" /></li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you repost other user’s content without attribution.</li>
<li style="list-style-type:disc;list-style-position:initial;list-style-image:initial;color:#333333;margin:5px 11px 5px 0;padding:0;">If you have attempted to &#8220;sell&#8221; followers, particularly through tactics considered aggressive following or follower churn.</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>The one  in bold has a special interest.</p>
<p>If your updates contain mainly links  you are considered a spammer!</p>
<p>Well this is news!</p>
<p>There&#8217;re thousands of accounts in twitter that do just this. How? By linking a blog feed to a twitter account. In such a case all twitter updates are links back to the blogposts.  Leaving aside the fact that these might not be appealing accounts to follow, considering link-posting as a spamming behavior  contradicts the presence of major media organizations in twitter and there are no signs that twitter actually objects their presence.</p>
<p>But if link-posting is ok for, say, CNN why would that  be bad for blog xyz with the 20 followers? The rule becomes a size discrimination.</p>
<p>Another notable notion in this rule is that twitter seems to still attribute value to the personal updates.  For me personal updates are irrelevant but that is not the issue. The issue is that one should have the right to write about the things he truly cares. If drinking coffee with his spouse is one of them, that&#8217;s fine. But if not, <strong>that should be fine too</strong>.</p>
<p>Besides, in order to have personal updates you must have a person too. With all these business accounts, what sort of personal updates is to be expected?</p>
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		<title>What is a conversation?</title>
		<link>http://webtropic.cc/2009/08/20/what-is-a-conversation/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nikos Anagnostou</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Social media]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[blogs]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Cluetrain manifesto]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[conversations]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe the reason why Twitter succeeds is because people don&#8217;t really want to have conversations. They just want to be able to scream out into the void and listen for echoes. says Victor Ganata. If true, then all web 2.0 product developers should go back to the design desk. The real underlying question though is: [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=webtropic.cc&amp;blog=4050079&amp;post=477&amp;subd=webtropic&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://theconversationprism.com/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-480" title="theconversationprism" src="http://webtropic.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/theconversationprism.jpg?w=500&#038;h=375" alt="theconversationprism" width="500" height="375" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe the reason why Twitter succeeds is because people don&#8217;t really want to have conversations. They just want to be able to scream out into the void and listen for echoes.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://friendfeed.com/aswang/8627ebe7/maybe-reason-why-twitter-succeeds-is-because">says Victor Ganata</a>.</p>
<p>If true, then all web 2.0 product developers should go back to the design desk.</p>
<p><strong>The real underlying question though is: &#8220;What is a conversation?&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Web 2.0 is about conversations. The markets are conversations, says the <a href="http://www.cluetrain.com/">Cluetrain Manifesto</a>. New services want to be conversational. New marketing urges us to form relationships and interact through conversations.</p>
<p>With so many claims  on the term &#8216;conversation&#8217;, I am afraid the term is stretched to a point where it will either break or become meaningless.  Defining  is confining.</p>
<p>If we accept that &#8216;conversation&#8217; is a more serious kind of discussion (as opposed to chat), we can hardly apply this notion to  the <em>conversations </em>happening online. Most of them are simply chat.</p>
<p>Next comes the <em>shouting in the void</em>, like the tweets  &#8217;I woke up and I am drinking coffee&#8217; which occassionaly turn into a chat again.</p>
<p>In blogs, we often see  large threads of hundreds of comments, which, excluding spam and trolls, can be deemed as real conversations but not as <strong>one </strong>conversation. They are mostly conversations between the blogger and the commenters and secondly between the commenters themselves.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingback">pingback</a> mechanism has  enabled a more sophisticated kind of conversations:  through blog posts. These can be extensive and spread to too many blogs, so they are difficult to follow.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://friendfeed.com">Friendfeed</a>,  humongous threads are commonplace, especially if <a href="http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer">Robert Scoble</a> is the initiator.  Yet, I don&#8217;t know many that  read such threads from start to end. So, what is the point of these threads, conversation wise (because I can think of many other points apart from conversation)?</p>
<p>In real life, you can have a conversation with only a few people. You cannot have a conversation with a whole football stadium!  Likewise, online conversations that can have an impact, and feel like they do,  are the ones  that people can participate from start to end, understand who else is participating, and catch up really quickly, if  joining late.</p>
<p>For this reason (and contrary to the popular perception)  <a href="http://twitter.com">twitter</a> and twitter-like tools, by restricting the length of the what is being said and by limiting the participants of the conversation,  turn out to be more conversational (subject to abuse though).</p>
<p>When  people complain about twitter not being conversational, they may actually complain not been allowed  to blah blah endlessly.   But we agreed that this isn&#8217;t a conversation, didn&#8217;t we?</p>
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